CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Feb 11, 2012 - I find it funny how they want to keep the LGR because it is so cheap and non costly, but in the same breath say you can not destroy the data (the LGR) because it cost so damn much money and would be a waste.

cZiebenhaus Wypowiedź:

Mar 12, 2012 - What a clown

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Mar 28, 2012 - Second, the registry does absolutely NOTHING with respect to disarming citizens: that's the purview of C-150 (1969), C-51 (1977), and C-17 (1991). Previous to the LGR, if you sold a rifle to someone that was unlicensed, that wasn't traceable. All the LGR did was extended handgun tracking to long guns. If a cop responds to a call, and they know there are firearms on site, it changes how the call is handled. Cops assume there are weapons initially, but knowing is better than assuming.

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Mar 29, 2012 - Traceable? Really? What percentage of guns used in actual dangerous violent crime are traceable NOW WITH the restricted and non restricted gun registries? Almost none. Those fancy little numbers are etched into metal and easy enough to file off......presto the gun is "unregistered" and now untraceable. If the cops respond to a call and the THINK they know there are NO guns inside they risk their lives. Cops have DIED because the LGR told them there were "no guns" inside a home.

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Mar 29, 2012 - Before I forget Ill note sources. Stats Canada and a FOIPOP from the Halifax Chief of police for the "almost no guns used in crime are traceable". The other source is more vague to me ...I think it was Randy Kuntz during the recent Senante debates on the LGR........listen to him in these vids and im sure you will find it. One is "Canadian Senate Bill C-19 Debate March 14" and the other one is March 15. They are on youtube under these titles I believe, by mgman71

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Mar 29, 2012 - Just wanted to help you grasp what 17,000 hits on the long gun registry looks like, per day. There are 365 days in a year. Thats 6.2 MILLION hits per year, over actually. There are only 30 million people in Canada and of them only 2.2 million legal gun owners. So you are suggesting that, on average EVERY single LEGAL gun owner in Canada is "checked" to help keep criminals at bay, to protect the public safety, once every 4 months. There is something fishy about all that to say the least.

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 1, 2012 - This will end up being 2 posts. First, terminology: Query: a database check. There are 6.2M queries annually. Respondant: a query that possibly contains relevant information. Hit: A query that contains relevant information. Not to split hairs but this is important. Now, to re-examine your statement with correct terminology: ~17K queries daily = ~6.2M queries annually The 'Hit' rate is about 3.96%, so ~680 hits daily, or about 250K annually. Next post...

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 1, 2012 - So assume 250K annual hits to the registry. The problem with this number is that if you have no police contacts (ie. domestic violence/DUI), your info is not going to show as a hit. The only time your info will even be checked is when you renew your PAL or register a new firearm.

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - ignoring all this terminology, what you need is a way to track criminal's and their guns. Simply tracking non criminals (and no, re-labeling non criminals as criminals for silly things like "they own a gun and let their PAL expire 2 weeks ago" or "safe storage"....these are not the criminals the politicians promised to fight, these are not the "guns on the streets" they promised to fight) rather than actual violent criminals is not a solution but rather a diversion, a waste.

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - No non human initiated method....that's some classic play on words there. If a cop pulls over a person and checks their automotive license plate and the computer automatically queries the LGR then *I* consider that to be a computer generated query and *you* consider it to be human generated. THATS where our point of contention lie. If a person does 1 thing it is quite often auto-linked to a query on the LGR with a human asking for this query.

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - I just looked at one of my old videos, Chiefs Of Police VS Candice H. The Chief Of police himself uses the 17.000 hits / day on the LGR, like you, but then goes on to mention many of these are autoqueries......ie not initiated by humans- and by this I mean no human set out with the intention of using the LGR but rather some other thing that when done automatically set off the query- ie an auto query. When the police chiefs themselves admit this I don't see the point in debating it, really.

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - What I'm saying is that a *person* has to ask for the information. It's a bundled query that includes wants, warrants, convictions with active dispositions (peace bonds, intermittent jail time), sex offender registry, etc. These are all done with one main query (just like Google), and yet no one questions these. The part about the firearms 'auto' queries that gets muddied is that the CFP queries include all PAL categories, you can't just query LGR alone.

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - Ignore that you were clearly wrong in your supposition? Why? Your numerical evidence is misinterpreted, and when corrected counters your argument. The other thing, your argument seems to be with licensing itself and not registration. The point I'm making is that LGR is useful to law enforcement for many reasons, and it's relevant to public safety. Sale and registration of items to licensed individuals happens all the time with motor vehicles, why are firearms so contentious?

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - You clipped most of the testimony, and in fact the autoquery portion was never talked about. If the CFP is queried by default, then call it what you like, it's a valid interest to police just like warrants and prohibition orders. If the LGR (or any other database used in Canadian law enforcement) is queried, a person must request the information. The only time it's queried by police is if there is a legally accepted reason for it.  If you do nothing of police interest, there's no query.

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - For most of my posts it'll boil down to this, and yes, it's a Princess Bride quote: "I don't think it means what you think it means."

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - "CFP queries include all PAL categories, you can't just query LGR alone." Kinda like when you buy groceries and you get coupons for toothpaste. You didn't ask for them, you likely wont look at them, and you may not even plan on buying toothpaste. :)

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - No, ignoring as in im changing the topic. I replied to that specific topic plenty times, but in this post I ignored it. Im curious as to how I am mixing up licensing and registration when we are talking about autoquerys on the lgr.

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - More or less... If you're interested in buying toothpaste, you go to that aisle, which also has toothbrushes and denture cream (even if you don't have a coupon for them).

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - The RCMP admit they "modified their CPIC interface to automatically check the online firearms registry," Exclusive: GTA loves their guns just as much as rural areas, data shows Toronto Star Jan 29 2012. Thats all im saying. The RCMP and Chiefs said it too. Im not seeing how we are having a debate here with these kinds of statements. If they will BS some of the data ALL of their data's validity is in question.

CanadianReich Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - fair enough. We seem to be debating in circles over this one.

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - They set it for defaults, because it's of legitimate interest along with all the other databases that get checked.

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - Yeah, YouTube's method of stacking statements doesn't lend itself to clarity either. 

kmikl Wypowiedź:

Apr 4, 2012 - Good enough. Registry portions of C-68 are about tracking and identifying firearms to owners and places. It also creates an ownership trail that simplifies tracking in the event of a firearm being stolen/used in a crime. That's basically it. There's no provision under the registry portions for removals. Privacy is another issue, but in the case of legal inquiries, it's done with a defined interest, it's not broad scope querying. (which we've beaten to death :) )